Lulu Garcia Navarro

You know, a lot is being written now about the sober curious trend and And I guess this is the other side of the spectrum, which is not medical. It's cultural. But do you actually see those shifts as producing long term results or are they just fads?

You know, a lot is being written now about the sober curious trend and And I guess this is the other side of the spectrum, which is not medical. It's cultural. But do you actually see those shifts as producing long term results or are they just fads?

That's interesting, the idea that we're retreating from real-world dopamine fixes to digital-world dopamine fixes.

That's interesting, the idea that we're retreating from real-world dopamine fixes to digital-world dopamine fixes.

I mean, big question. Are we just playing whack-a-mole with our addictions?

I mean, big question. Are we just playing whack-a-mole with our addictions?

Let me break this down for a moment to see if I understand what you're saying, which is that modern life requires us to just constantly think about ourselves and be on display. And the use of these ways to take us out of ourselves is increasing because we're constantly narcissistically thinking about ourselves. Is that right?

Let me break this down for a moment to see if I understand what you're saying, which is that modern life requires us to just constantly think about ourselves and be on display. And the use of these ways to take us out of ourselves is increasing because we're constantly narcissistically thinking about ourselves. Is that right?

But this is weird for a therapist to say because so much of our culture is now inundated with this Yes, it's true.

But this is weird for a therapist to say because so much of our culture is now inundated with this Yes, it's true.

This naturally, I think, leads us to how we break the cycle of addiction. For me, it's something that I think about a lot simply because my sister died of her addiction and it was one of the catalysts for making me stop drinking. And it's the two different paths. I took sobriety and she, with a lifetime of struggle of trying to be sober, it ended up defeating her and she lost her life.

This naturally, I think, leads us to how we break the cycle of addiction. For me, it's something that I think about a lot simply because my sister died of her addiction and it was one of the catalysts for making me stop drinking. And it's the two different paths. I took sobriety and she, with a lifetime of struggle of trying to be sober, it ended up defeating her and she lost her life.

What have you learned about why some people can do it and others can't?

What have you learned about why some people can do it and others can't?

I do wonder what made you become an addiction specialist. I mean, was there a reason or was it just something that you were interested in?

I do wonder what made you become an addiction specialist. I mean, was there a reason or was it just something that you were interested in?

So we've mostly talked about forms of addiction that have obvious negative consequences in a person's life. But I also, you know, do wonder about what we say we can become addicted to. You know, when we started talking, you used this example of struggling with romantic novels. I'm also a big fan, by the way. But, you know, is there something trivializing about calling stuff like that an addiction?

So we've mostly talked about forms of addiction that have obvious negative consequences in a person's life. But I also, you know, do wonder about what we say we can become addicted to. You know, when we started talking, you used this example of struggling with romantic novels. I'm also a big fan, by the way. But, you know, is there something trivializing about calling stuff like that an addiction?

Because you can die from alcoholism, but you can't die from reading romanticism.

Because you can die from alcoholism, but you can't die from reading romanticism.