Lulu Garcia Navarro

You chose not to sort of capitalize on the success of Wikipedia.

And it made me wonder about that.

OpenAI started as an open source for the greater good project, kind of like Wikipedia, and they've now shifted into being a multi-billion dollar business.

I'd love to know your thoughts on that shift for OpenAI, but more broadly, do you think that the money part of it also changed the equation?

Since we last spoke, the co-founder of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger, has given an interview to Tucker Carlson that's getting a lot of attention here in the United States on the right.

And he has had a lot to say about Wikipedia and not a lot of it's good.

In the past, he's called it one of the most effective organs of establishment propaganda in history.

And we should say that he believes Wikipedia has a liberal bias.

And in this interview and on his X feed, he's advocating for what he's calling reforms to the site, which include reveal who Wikipedia's leaders are and abolish source blacklists.

And I just wonder what you make of it.

I think you and Larry did build something beautiful that has endured.

I do wonder if it's going to be part of our future because I feel some despair about where we're all headed and some fear.

And I guess you'll just say that I have to trust that it's all going to end up okay.

But I do...

worry that it might not.

That didn't cheer me up.

I got to tell you right there.

Fair enough.

I got to tell you, like as a pep talk.

OK.