Lulu Garcia Navarro

The lavish expense accounts, the power, the shoulder pads.

The days of elite media in New York are long gone.

But there is perhaps still no sharper observer of politics and culture than one of that period's most prominent figures, Tina Brown.

In the 80s and 90s, she was the editor-in-chief of Vanity Fair and The New Yorker until leaving to start an ill-fated magazine called Talk with Harvey Weinstein.

That venture folded after a few years.

But Brown wasn't done, entering her online era with the launch of The Daily Beast in 2008 and becoming an author of books about the royal family and her time at Vanity Fair.

These days, she's brought her signature stinging analysis of the media, the royals and the political class to Substack, where her deeply enjoyable newsletter is called Fresh Hell.

At a time when there is so much change and uncertainty in our media and our politics, I thought it would be grounding to sit down with someone who has the long view.

Tina did not disappoint.

And just to note, our first conversation happened before news broke that King Charles had stripped Prince Andrew of his titles, seemingly for his association with Jeffrey Epstein.

We did chat about that more in our second interview.

And both conversations happened before the latest batch of Epstein messages came.

some mentioning President Trump, were released by Congress.

Here's my very entertaining conversation with Tina Brown.

It is.

Hi, I'm Lulu.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you.

I'm so happy to have you here.

Thank you.