Lulu Garcia Navarro
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I mean, even Israel's former defense minister, Moshe Alon, referred to what's happening in Gaza as war crimes and ethnic cleansing. I mean, this is internal criticism. This is not external. So I guess I would repeat the question and ask you, has Israel respected the rules of war in Gaza?
I mean, even Israel's former defense minister, Moshe Alon, referred to what's happening in Gaza as war crimes and ethnic cleansing. I mean, this is internal criticism. This is not external. So I guess I would repeat the question and ask you, has Israel respected the rules of war in Gaza?
Because as you know, withholding food aid is considered a war crime. And so what you're saying to me is that actually they didn't want to even provide food.
Because as you know, withholding food aid is considered a war crime. And so what you're saying to me is that actually they didn't want to even provide food.
You know, what we've seen in Gaza is fairly indiscriminate. We have seen reporting of absolute devastation, entire areas flattened. And at the crux of this, of course, is the fact that the United States provides so many of these weapons to Israel. The 2,000-pound bombs that have killed Palestinian civilians, they get vetted through the State Department.
You know, what we've seen in Gaza is fairly indiscriminate. We have seen reporting of absolute devastation, entire areas flattened. And at the crux of this, of course, is the fact that the United States provides so many of these weapons to Israel. The 2,000-pound bombs that have killed Palestinian civilians, they get vetted through the State Department.
And I know that the administration's been struggling with this the whole way through. But where we are now is that the war is still being prosecuted. Hamas is no longer deemed a threat in the way that it was. And the population has been completely decimated. So I'm curious, why still provide these weapons to Israel?
And I know that the administration's been struggling with this the whole way through. But where we are now is that the war is still being prosecuted. Hamas is no longer deemed a threat in the way that it was. And the population has been completely decimated. So I'm curious, why still provide these weapons to Israel?
Well, there were moments when it seemed you were trying to draw red lines in public, telling Israel not to go into Rafah, for example. And then they did.
Well, there were moments when it seemed you were trying to draw red lines in public, telling Israel not to go into Rafah, for example. And then they did.
Benjamin Netanyahu never seemed to listen to you, though.
Benjamin Netanyahu never seemed to listen to you, though.
Did you have a partner in Benjamin Netanyahu? Because it was reported that he blocked a ceasefire deal in July that would have led to the hostages being released. Is that true?
Did you have a partner in Benjamin Netanyahu? Because it was reported that he blocked a ceasefire deal in July that would have led to the hostages being released. Is that true?
I do want to ask you about your own standing in the department that you lead because you've had a series of very public defections over the conduct at the State Department over Gaza. The latest to speak out is Mike Casey, who was the State Department's deputy political counselor on Gaza and resigned in July.
I do want to ask you about your own standing in the department that you lead because you've had a series of very public defections over the conduct at the State Department over Gaza. The latest to speak out is Mike Casey, who was the State Department's deputy political counselor on Gaza and resigned in July.
He recently talked to The Guardian about his tenure, and he claimed that the State Department frequently rolled over for Israel, that no one would read his reports on civilian casualties. He said that he and his colleagues would joke that they could staple cash to the reports, and still they would fall on deaf ears. That's very dark. How do you respond to that?
He recently talked to The Guardian about his tenure, and he claimed that the State Department frequently rolled over for Israel, that no one would read his reports on civilian casualties. He said that he and his colleagues would joke that they could staple cash to the reports, and still they would fall on deaf ears. That's very dark. How do you respond to that?
Do you think there's still hostages alive?
Do you think there's still hostages alive?