Lulu Garcia Navarro

And he recently argued that, for example, Democrats need to run on and presumably eventually legislate on and I'm going to quote her a sweeping, aggressive, unvarnished, unapologetic and altogether unmistakable platform of pure economic rage.

Mm hmm.

I mean, that's the other side of this coin.

You know, you certainly can't accuse the Trump administration of moving incrementally.

I mean, should the Democrats be emulating what the Trump administration is doing?

Because Republicans are really taking the ball and running with it.

I don't want to get too much on a tangent on immigration, but immigration, you're right, has been an enormous failure of Congress.

I mean, there has not been immigration reform for a very long time, and that has allowed both parties, actually, in different ways to make it into an issue that they campaign on, they use to sway people.

Obama used it with the DACA issue, and we're seeing President Trump use it

This is the issue.

There's always a reason why it doesn't go on the floor, and there's always a reason why it doesn't get resolved.

But that is the actual question here, again, coming back to this idea of

When things have really moved in the Senate, it's because a party has said we are going to put all of our power behind this issue, whether it be Obamacare or something else.

And we're going to make this a priority for us.

Or am I wrong about that?

I mean, it really is sort of astonishing that we're still having this discussion.

It's so many years after it passed.

Do you take those Senator Flake's point that it would have been better legislation if they would have waited some more and talked to Republicans?

Or do you think nothing would have happened at all?

I want to end with this question about how much power the Senate has right now, because as you've discussed, they've ceded control over tariffs, but also over foreign affairs.