Lulu Garcia Navarro

I did seem to catch Democrats by surprise. I mean, we have seen Democrats take a beat and have trouble coming to an agreement about what kind of resistance or opposition they're going to pose. You've talked a little bit about what's happening publicly.

I did seem to catch Democrats by surprise. I mean, we have seen Democrats take a beat and have trouble coming to an agreement about what kind of resistance or opposition they're going to pose. You've talked a little bit about what's happening publicly.

I'm curious what has been happening privately, because one of my colleagues reported that you were part of a group of Democratic governors in January who privately urged Senator Chuck Schumer to to fight harder or at least differently against Trump. And I'm curious, like, what you were wanting to see that you weren't seeing.

I'm curious what has been happening privately, because one of my colleagues reported that you were part of a group of Democratic governors in January who privately urged Senator Chuck Schumer to to fight harder or at least differently against Trump. And I'm curious, like, what you were wanting to see that you weren't seeing.

Do you think the leadership in Congress is the right leadership to enact what you're envisioning?

Do you think the leadership in Congress is the right leadership to enact what you're envisioning?

One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is that I was told by quite a few Democrats that you are very influential in the party beyond your state. And so as you have been having these conversations about moving the party forward, I did want to get your temperature on just the Democratic brand writ large, because polling is showing that

One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is that I was told by quite a few Democrats that you are very influential in the party beyond your state. And so as you have been having these conversations about moving the party forward, I did want to get your temperature on just the Democratic brand writ large, because polling is showing that

The Democratic brand is really underwater, regardless of what's happening with Donald Trump and what's happening in the White House. The losses were steep in the last election. You are the governor of a solidly blue state. What was your big takeaway about why the Democrats did so badly?

The Democratic brand is really underwater, regardless of what's happening with Donald Trump and what's happening in the White House. The losses were steep in the last election. You are the governor of a solidly blue state. What was your big takeaway about why the Democrats did so badly?

But I'm curious, Governor, because, I mean, I think if you talk to any Democrat, the Biden administration on down, they would say that that was their focus. I mean, you know, they would say that that is precisely what they did during the last four years. They really tried to build up the economy out of a massive recession. They, you know, tried to tackle inflation, et cetera, et cetera.

But I'm curious, Governor, because, I mean, I think if you talk to any Democrat, the Biden administration on down, they would say that that was their focus. I mean, you know, they would say that that is precisely what they did during the last four years. They really tried to build up the economy out of a massive recession. They, you know, tried to tackle inflation, et cetera, et cetera.

I am curious how you see that being different than what happened before.

I am curious how you see that being different than what happened before.

Do you blame part of the failure to defend the Democratic brand, to articulate the vision on the Biden administration? Because you were the first Democratic governor to publicly urge President Biden to exit the race in July of last year. I mean, how much do you think it hurt the party? in voters' eyes, that it seemed like Democrats were sort of hiding President Biden's failing acuity?

Do you blame part of the failure to defend the Democratic brand, to articulate the vision on the Biden administration? Because you were the first Democratic governor to publicly urge President Biden to exit the race in July of last year. I mean, how much do you think it hurt the party? in voters' eyes, that it seemed like Democrats were sort of hiding President Biden's failing acuity?

Do you think the party is adequately reckoning now with the effects of what happened, though? Because I just saw one of Biden's senior advisors, Mike Donilon, say that the Democratic Party, quote, lost its mind after Biden's poor debate and basically threw an incumbent under the bus and that cost them the election.

Do you think the party is adequately reckoning now with the effects of what happened, though? Because I just saw one of Biden's senior advisors, Mike Donilon, say that the Democratic Party, quote, lost its mind after Biden's poor debate and basically threw an incumbent under the bus and that cost them the election.

After the break, I asked Governor Healy about the migrant crisis that has played out during her time in office. And we talk more about the Trump administration's campaign against diversity, equity and inclusion.

After the break, I asked Governor Healy about the migrant crisis that has played out during her time in office. And we talk more about the Trump administration's campaign against diversity, equity and inclusion.