'The Interview': Gov. Maura Healey Wants Democrats to Put Up a Fight
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What sparked the conflict between President Trump and Democratic governors?
From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro. Last weekend, governors from both parties converged in Washington for their annual gathering. As is traditional, they met with the president as a group. As is not so traditional, President Trump took the opportunity to scold Maine's Democratic governor, Janet Mills, over her opposition to his executive order banning transgender women from women's sports.
Are you not going to comply with it?
I'm complying with state and federal laws.
Well, we are the federal law. Well, you better do it. You better do it because... It was a pretty stunning exchange. You better comply because otherwise you're not getting any federal funding. Every state... Good, I'll see you in court. I look forward to that. That should be a real easy one.
That interaction is one example of the increasingly antagonistic relationship between the president and Democratic governors. This time around, Trump is adopting a more punitive posture towards those he perceives as defying him. And liberal governors now have to decide how to respond. Among them, Maura Healey of Massachusetts.
Who is Maura Healey and why is she influential in the Democratic Party?
Keeley is a former civil rights lawyer who, in 2014, became the nation's first openly gay state attorney general. In 2022, she won the governorship. And while she may not have the same national profile as some of her colleagues, like J.B. Pritzker of Illinois or Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, she's known as being deeply influential in the party behind closed doors. So as part of a series of conversations I'm having with Democrats, I wanted to talk to Healy about how she views her role as the governor of a blue state in this second Trump term and how she thinks her party can wage an effective fight. Here's my conversation with Massachusetts Governor Maura Healy. Governor Healy, you just returned from D.C.
for the annual National Governors Association meeting. And you attended an event with the president along with other governors. What did you discuss with the other governors, both Democratic and Republican, while you were there?
How are Democratic governors responding to Trump’s policies?
Well, you go to the White House. I've been as governor with other presidents. I've been as attorney general. And you go with the expectation that you're going to hear the president articulate some vision for the future. It's supposed to be an opportunity to talk about how governors and states can work with a new administration. That wasn't what this was about. The meeting began with an address by Stephen Miller for about 15, 20 minutes. And then later, the president came out and began by recounting that he's got the highest approval rating of anybody this early in his tenure, that he won the election not once, not twice, but three times, and then continued with a litany of conspiracy theories and False information.
So it was unfortunate because I'm there as governor thinking, let's have a conversation about maybe where we can work together. Right. How can we focus on the needs of everyday Americans? But unfortunately, we didn't see any of that. What was also upsetting is that we saw him attack another governor. This is something that the governor of Maine. The governor of Maine. Now, this follows, remember, a few weeks ago, he attacked Illinois and Governor Pritzker. He attacked Governor Hochul in New York recently. He's now very gratuitously, in a way it seemed very manufactured in the moment, attacked the governor of Maine.
And we should say this was about transgender rights and about his executive order to do with transgender rights. And then he called her out. Right. And then she responded immediately. basically, that she would follow the laws of her state and the federal government and the federal government and that she would see him in court. And that didn't seem to go down well.
No. And it was it was about transgender rights, but it wasn't about transgender rights. He is doing what he has done typically, which is I am going to throw out some issue. Let that be the distraction. Let that distract everyone from the fact that my poll numbers are tanking. People don't like what Elon Musk and Doge are doing. And let's get everybody's eye off the ball.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What sparked the conflict between President Trump and Democratic governors?
0:05–1:19
2
Who is Maura Healey and why is she influential in the Democratic Party?
1:19–2:28
3
How are Democratic governors responding to Trump’s policies?
2:28–6:09
4
What role do Attorneys General play in opposing federal actions?
6:09–9:20
5
How can the Democratic Party rebuild its brand?
9:20–11:45
6
What are the challenges facing the Democratic leadership?
11:45–15:59
7
How does Maura Healey view the Biden administration’s communication strategy?
15:59–22:21
8
What is the impact of internal Democratic disagreements on the party’s future?
22:21–44:12