Lulu Garcia Navarro

And I think people are craving a bit more of authority because people want to guide through the muck.

They want some curation.

I would be a little demoralized if that's the advice that I was getting now, trying to break in.

I want to get back to your early career a little later, but you are actually an authority on some pretty current things that are happening that actually had their roots in that era of the 80s and the 90s.

And one of them, of course, is...

Jeffrey Epstein.

You knew Jeffrey Epstein.

You knew Ghislaine Maxwell socially.

In your book, The Palace Papers, you described her as omnipresent in the social scene.

She was always at book launches and cocktail parties.

How did you understand their relationship?

Was it love?

Was it money?

Was it both?

Do you think she will?

You know, in the early 2010s, when you oversaw The Daily Beast, you ran one of the first national series on the Epstein stories.

Yes.

And you noted, after you wrote about that period, that they didn't really stick at the time.

You know, one of the stories in that series that you ran was headlined, Epstein Society Friends Close Ranks.

And it's a chilling story, actually, having read it recently.