Lynn Keller
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Wow. I didn't even notice that, actually. I don't think he's in a coma at that moment.
He's in dire straits, but I think he's out of the coma at that point.
Yeah. And then do you remember, too? I remember we were on a story, a completely different story, and my phone rang and it was him. And so we had we had him on speaker and we just let him talk and talk.
I mean, they would have to prove that she knew that he was a fugitive, which we don't know that she knows that. Yeah, until she says it. I mean... Yeah, I think it would be very hard to prosecute her. Plus Scotland, I feel like is just like...
Or maybe that's what he said. He said, I'm pretending, not that I'm a fugitive from justice, but I'm pretending to be somebody else because there are people who want to kill me.
I've thought that many times because there was a part of him that wanted to do that. He really did want to change the law because when he was in the foster care system, He was in the system where they would put him in a different house every single night. How is a child supposed to flourish in a situation like that? And that was one of the things he was trying to change.
Yeah, it's a shame that he couldn't have taken all of his smarts and energy and just kept on that path. Yeah, absolutely. He was the victim of abuse himself. So it was a challenge. It is a challenge.
If you're convicted, it's five to life, so that every five years you'd have a chance to get out, I guess.
Well, we know that he has very strong convictions, so he'd have to admit that he raped these two women.
Well, I think what happened is we got what we would consider a yellow light investigation. Yes, that's what you always say. And so they basically said, well, you know, just go see what more you can find. And so then once we booked the interview and you did that amazing, bizarre, crazy interview, that got our bosses hooked on like, let's see what else we can do. Yeah.
And one of the things I wanted to say also about the victims is that it turns out usually that they want to have a voice. They want to have an opportunity to talk about it.
The victims of Nicholas, alleged and some actual victims of Nicholas, they have a Facebook group where they communicate with each other and they keep track of what's happening with him.
So they banded together. Yeah.
I mean, that was an extremely unusual circumstance to have somebody who was obviously faking, you know, try to do this demonstration.
Well, then we found out later that when he goes back into the hospital, a female doctor and nurse told him that they were going to release him and he hops off the gurney and goes to attack them. So that whole thing of him trying to stand up, I mean, chances are it was it was completely an act. It was not real.
Right, because he did say that he's like, oh, I do want to do an in-person interview.
And we gave him the deadline and he never got back to us in time. He didn't get back to us in time.
What would be your first question? Like, what would be your most burning question to him?
What did that mean? The prosecutor asked him, so who are these people who want to kill you? And he said, well, I don't want to give a mouse cheese. And basically he was saying that by saying their names, he was elevating the whole issue. So they closed the court. And then I guess he revealed two names of people that we don't know.
I would be curious to know how much his wife Miranda knew if he would tell us. When did she find out about his faked death?
Yeah. So when he did the interview with you and he was in Scotland, I believe that some of it was true and some of it was a little bit put on because he really did want to communicate his side to you. And sometimes you just couldn't understand him. And so you'd turn to Miranda and say, could you basically tell me what he just said? But that stuttering thing seemed that seemed put on to me.
But even today, he has that, his voice has definitely been affected. And maybe that's from having oxygen going constantly, that that could also affect your vocal cords. I don't know.
Case is cracked. I actually looked up what coronation chicken is. And it's spicy with dried apricots and curry, cumin, turmeric, ginger, and other spices.
I feel like you emailed me a link to the story. Okay. And we just kept talking about how crazy it was. And then our affiliate in Rhode Island, in Providence, interviewed him. And we're like, oh, we want to do that too. And so I reached out to that reporter. He gave us Nicholas's contact or Arthur's contact. Arthur, yeah. And then I set up a call for the three of us. It was you, me, and Arthur.
Yeah, when we were sitting in the courtroom, I saw who the prosecutor was, and they were talking to his attorney. And so I pointed him out to Mary. I said, you know, that's the prosecutor there. And within minutes, I see her get up, go over, and she introduced herself.
And the prosecutor took her information so that if there's a sentencing, she would have a chance to talk to the judge, which is amazing. And I also remember when she was doing the interview with you this time, she said he messed with the wrong girl. And I thought, Yes, he did. So many of his alleged victims, they were too afraid of him. And they didn't pursue it. But she was not backing down.
And in the sentencing, the judge in Scotland, he actually sort of reprimanded the prosecution saying, you know, why was this not – why did they not test his DNA? Right. It was, you know, it was a rhetorical thing. So the prosecutor didn't respond. So we don't know. We don't know what it is.
I would imagine based on your interview with with Arthur is that he was making it so difficult, the whole DNA. And and so they figured, let's just go with fingerprints and the tattoos. Well, but they weren't able to use those until he attacked the doctor. Because for that charge, they were able to take all that information and then that's how they presented it to the court.
He's doing that here in the U.S. too. He's doing the same thing.
Well, the investigator testified that they did test his DNA, and it was, in fact, Nicholas Rossi, Aliverdian.
Probably their gut feeling, too, was looking at you and saying, really? Yeah. She's the aggressor?
Yeah. Can you play some of that for us today?
I see you shaking right now. Did that take you back to that place? Yeah, very much so.
What did you think of his tone that it seems like he knew better than you?
This has become a game of cat and mouse between the alleged con man and federal law enforcement.
What do you say to people who say this is all an act?
You would think that the communication with Nicholas or, you know, his world would stop once he died, but that wasn't the case.
Did you feel like these emails might actually be coming from Nick? 100%. based on the language, the tone, what you'd experienced before?
What is it like walking into their flat?
Are you, the whole time, looking at him, her, scanning the room for clues.
I know you have a lot to say, which is great.
Can you also tell us what happened in that room and why they told you they were there?
Were you read your rights? Were you handcuffed?
Would you take your mask off for one second just to show us your face?
I'm just looking for ways, you know, that you can back up some of your, what you're saying, just to put people's minds at ease.
The FBI is investigating you. You're being looked at for kidnapping, sexual assault, fraud in multiple states.
The FBI is investigating you, though.
Yes, they're looking into you and how you might fit into all of this.
Nafsika says that you are a con man.
What do you say to people who say these are crocodile tears? He's putting on a show. This is all an act.
Did you sexually assault anyone? Did you kidnap anyone? Did you defraud anyone? What?
What would you say to anyone who says you're naive or how do you know this? Are you not concerned? What do you say to those people?
Where does this go from here for Arthur, for the both of you? What's next?
What's the most important thing today that you want people to know, both of you?
Arthur Knight is Arthur Knight and that he is innocent of all the allegations that are being leveled against him.
Do you believe that there's any possibility that that man is Arthur, really Arthur Knight? No. And what is it when you look at it that you think, nope, That's Nicholas.
We saw the press release. There's some breaking news.
Did you sexually assault anyone? Did you defraud anyone?
Do you have anything to say today about the hearing?
From the moment Nicholas Rossi stepped foot here in Utah, he continued to insist he was Arthur Knight. He even asked a judge to require that all county jail staff address him by that name.
What do you make of this argument that he had to go by Arthur Knight because his life was in danger?
Did you know that? I didn't know that.
Is this something that you were happy to do for her?
He's a child, though, and you're an adult, and that's child abuse.
Oh my gosh. What is going through your mind as all of this is happening in front of you?
What does he say when he is finished?
Does this feel a little bit like a full circle moment?
I think this is the dead end street that Gordon and Kano entered and turned around. And somewhere in this little intersection right here is where she was at.