Mabel Kabani

Yeah.

Yeah, here we are.

We took the same plunge that you did.

We were just so frustrated being kind of feeling stifled at a network, realizing all the work we were doing wasn't even reaching for us, like people our age, like none of our peers were watching it.

And so we wanted to do something, taking what we learned there, making credible journalism for people our age and putting it where they'll actually be on social media.

We are so happy.

We say this to each other all the time.

We're like, thank God we left when we did, because if we were there right now, we'd be wanting to get out.

But it would be like a year and a half later.

But it's so that said, it's so sad to see what's happening because we still have so many colleagues that we revere and that we know do such great work that are now stuck there while it just kind of slowly disintegrates.

The same thing I'm sure you feel about CNN.

Yeah, they just won't.

We even I guess I can say this now because he's not there anymore either.

We talked to the executive producer of 60 Minutes, Bill Owens, and he told us if we want to do something like this.

We told him our idea and our vision.

He said, you have to go somewhere else.

Like, don't even waste your time at CBS because he was in way more like privileged conversations than we were and knew no one was willing to expand that far.

No, this is the future.

I think that they're trying to match us now.

The making it more casual is because they wanna be us.