LEMON DROP | The Death Of Mainstream Media
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Why did former 60 Minutes journalists leave CBS to start Newsgirls.reports?
Let's jump right into it because I want to talk about you guys were at 60 minutes at CBS, correct?
Yeah.
And then you decided, I guess it was over a year to go to do things differently and start your own podcast. And here we are.
Yeah, here we are. We took the same plunge that you did. We were just so frustrated being kind of feeling stifled at a network, realizing all the work we were doing wasn't even reaching for us, like people our age, like none of our peers were watching it. And so we wanted to do something, taking what we learned there, making credible journalism for people our age and putting it where they'll actually be on social media.
said that people weren't really watching it what is it about what is it about a place like cbs which is we call the mainstream media what is it about it that it's just so unappealing to young people i mean there's so many things i think like working at 60 minutes
As cool as it is to have this concentrated 12-minute segment on a topic, I think the pacing of the show, the topics that they would choose would be so late. You have to tune in to the broadcast. I think just there's so many things that make it so unaccessible, but people are on social media all the time. They're looking for quick news that's interesting, that's in the language that they're speaking. So I think we just decided to change up the presentation and where we do the news.
And make it more accessible and reachable and younger. I mean, a younger demographic because, listen, quite frankly, 60 Minutes, I look, is one of the, I believe, the premier, as you guys know, news programs in the world. And I don't think that history is going to look kindly upon the people, the person, or the people or persons who dismantled that. And so that is, that's not good news. But since, are you happy you're not there now considering what's happening? How do you feel? I don't want to put words in your mouth. How do you feel about what has happened to CBS in 60 minutes since you left? Are you happy that you made that move and that you're not there now?
We are so happy. We say this to each other all the time. We're like, thank God we left when we did, because if we were there right now, we'd be wanting to get out. But it would be like a year and a half later. But it's so that said, it's so sad to see what's happening because we still have so many colleagues that we revere and that we know do such great work that are now stuck there while it just kind of slowly disintegrates. The same thing I'm sure you feel about CNN.
Mabel, do you hear from... Yes, I do. And I haven't been quiet about it. Even though, like you said, you love the people who are there, right? And they're great journalists, but you feel for what they're dealing with because, look, it ain't pretty. Mabel, do you hear from folks there?
What frustrations with legacy TV news made the hosts want to reach younger audiences?
Yeah, and people are, like Ren said, kind of going through the feelings that we did a couple years ago. I think it's really surprising that it takes so long to build up such an amazing show and an amazing institution like CBS. It takes decades of amazing work to build something like that up, but only like a year and like a person or like a group of people to break it down. Like it shows you how fragile these systems can be that like it takes so long to make something so great, but it, it can all come down so quickly. It's kind of scary.
So then how did you decide to do it? And when, Mabel, to be honest with you, I ran into you on the street, I was doing a live, you weren't even sure, because you know, that's how, think about it, that I can be live on just anywhere, right? And then the old days, you'd have to get a satellite truck, and you do this, and you have to do that, and this was live, and I ran into, I bumped into you on the street, and you talked about your inspirations and the advice that you had been being given about making this move, this transition.
Yeah, just about how like following your instincts and taking the jump just because that seems to be where media is heading.
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