Wren Woodson

I mean, there's so many things.

I think working at 60 Minutes, as cool as it is to have this concentrated 12-minute segment on a topic, I think the pacing of the show

The topics that they would choose would be so late.

It's on, you know, you have to tune in to the broadcast.

I think just there's so many things that make it so unaccessible, but people are on social media all the time.

They're looking for quick news.

That's interesting.

That's in the language that they're speaking.

So I think we just decided to change up the presentation and where we do the news.

Yeah, and people are, like Ren said, kind of going through the feelings that we did a couple years ago.

I think it's really surprising that it takes so long to build up such an amazing show and an amazing institution like CBS.

It takes

decades of amazing work to build something like that up, but only like a year and like a person or like a group of people to break it down.

Like it shows you how fragile these systems can be that like it takes so long to make something so great, but it, it can all come down so quickly.

It's kind of scary.

Yeah, just about how like following your instincts and taking the jump just because that seems to be where media is heading.

It's becoming independent.

It's leaving this corporate entity that people are just not trusting anymore.

So like Ren said, we felt very inspired.

But what you had done and we're just like, because Ren and I had been talking about it for a while.