Maddison Sullivan-Thorpe

And so for me where the pendulum has swung so much in that way is that we then had the rise of the soft life, soft girl, lazy girl, like this.

And I do think COVID was a big part of that because suddenly we were able to work from home, you know.

It wasn't exactly we were able, we were forced.

But there was this systematic shift of, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, actually I can go for a walk in the morning later in the day.

I'm not up at 5am to get to the gym to have my coffee to be in the office by 7.30, 8 o'clock.

I think a lot of that changed.

And so I think the girl boss...

return does deserve to be interrogated.

It cannot be a lift and load because the other additional complexity is also that even when Girl Boss 1.0 was going on and, you know, fueling ambition and in some cases exploitation, it was still encouraging women to work as hard as possible in a system still not built for them to succeed or achieve.

Do you know what it reminds me of?

Can I give two examples of when we're seeing this in our local market?

One's political and one's business related.

The first is Christine Holgate.

at AusPost.

Yes.

So infamously purchased, I believe it was five or six Cartier watches as bonuses.

If you actually look into what has happened at Australia Post previously, Christine Holgate was absolutely used as a scapegoat for that.

She is now at a competitor of AusPost, absolutely thriving.

But I would say that was an example of she was held to a very different standard of a man.

And the other is the most recent federal election, the Liberal Party had their worst ever result, lost the most amount of seats they ever had.