Maggie Freleng

This podcast discusses mature and sensitive content, including descriptions of violence that may be triggering for some audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Hey y'all, welcome to Up and Vanish Weekly. I'm your host, Maggie Freeling. Today's case isn't a whodunit per se with a super urgent call to action. We mostly know what happened.

This podcast discusses mature and sensitive content, including descriptions of violence that may be triggering for some audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Hey y'all, welcome to Up and Vanish Weekly. I'm your host, Maggie Freeling. Today's case isn't a whodunit per se with a super urgent call to action. We mostly know what happened.

Instead, this case is emblematic of the best and worst of human nature. This case is a love triangle and murder that has kept the attention of veteran journalist and award-winning correspondent for 48 Hours, Peter Van Sant. Peter has had a nearly 50-year career as a journalist, where his true crime and justice reporting is featured across multiple CBS News broadcasts and platforms.

Instead, this case is emblematic of the best and worst of human nature. This case is a love triangle and murder that has kept the attention of veteran journalist and award-winning correspondent for 48 Hours, Peter Van Sant. Peter has had a nearly 50-year career as a journalist, where his true crime and justice reporting is featured across multiple CBS News broadcasts and platforms.

Additionally, Peter hosts the Blood is Thicker podcast and Train to Kill, which we'll be talking about today. So, Peter, thank you for joining me on OpenVanish Weekly. We are so excited to have you.

Additionally, Peter hosts the Blood is Thicker podcast and Train to Kill, which we'll be talking about today. So, Peter, thank you for joining me on OpenVanish Weekly. We are so excited to have you.

OK, so to start, I just want to let listeners know if they don't know who you are, one of the correspondents for 48 Hours for how many years now?

OK, so to start, I just want to let listeners know if they don't know who you are, one of the correspondents for 48 Hours for how many years now?

Nearly 50 years as a reporter and correspondent. That is amazing. And I just want to list off some of your journalism accolades. Three Murros, multiple Emmys, a DuPont. I mean, you have done some incredible work that's taken you to North Korea, Bosnia, Albania. You reported on September 11th, Katrina.

Nearly 50 years as a reporter and correspondent. That is amazing. And I just want to list off some of your journalism accolades. Three Murros, multiple Emmys, a DuPont. I mean, you have done some incredible work that's taken you to North Korea, Bosnia, Albania. You reported on September 11th, Katrina.

I guess as a journalist, my question for you is, what is that like to report on so many different kinds of stories?

I guess as a journalist, my question for you is, what is that like to report on so many different kinds of stories?

When you became a journalist, did you ever think you would be in this true crime niche?

When you became a journalist, did you ever think you would be in this true crime niche?

Yeah, so that actually gets us to Train to Kill. So 2011, you did a two-part series, and then you have now come back over a decade later to do it in podcast format. Tell me a little specifically about Train to Kill. How is the podcast different than your 48 Hours investigation?

Yeah, so that actually gets us to Train to Kill. So 2011, you did a two-part series, and then you have now come back over a decade later to do it in podcast format. Tell me a little specifically about Train to Kill. How is the podcast different than your 48 Hours investigation?

Right. And I know this particular story is close and important to you. I mean, you've come back and covered it again after a decade. So let's take a few minutes to cover the basics of the case and then we'll get to your experience investigating it, Peter.

Right. And I know this particular story is close and important to you. I mean, you've come back and covered it again after a decade. So let's take a few minutes to cover the basics of the case and then we'll get to your experience investigating it, Peter.

The story of what happened to Mark Stover, to me, is representative of the worst in human nature and what can happen to, I believe, any of us when backed up against a wall and feeling desperate. It's a love triangle, and so it can be confusing to follow who is who. So let me try to break down who the main players are. Let's start with Mark Stover. Mark had a rough childhood.

The story of what happened to Mark Stover, to me, is representative of the worst in human nature and what can happen to, I believe, any of us when backed up against a wall and feeling desperate. It's a love triangle, and so it can be confusing to follow who is who. So let me try to break down who the main players are. Let's start with Mark Stover. Mark had a rough childhood.