Maggie Gyllenhaal

And it was interesting because when we first started working on that frame, it was like a celebration of VFX.

It was like we would sort of pan over to show the whole world and look what we did with our VFX.

And that's just not, I don't like that.

I'm like, I just want to be in the movie.

I want to be in the world.

I don't need to show you how expensive the VFX were.

I have a different, I'm really interested in world building.

I'm really interested in that idea.

I really think probably the next thing I do will incorporate that, some kind of imaginary world.

But with all the things I've learned from this one.

Or a party.

We used to think of it as a party.

A great dinner party.

where someone else is doing the flowers and the, you know, and I just invite people and maybe seat them and that kind of thing.

I don't mean to be overly simplistic about it either.

I just... I do think if you have a different experience in the world, you're going to make different movies, you know?

Yeah.

And obviously, gender isn't... Or race or ethnicity.

I mean, those aren't the only things that change your experience, but they are one thing.

Yeah.