Maggie Jackson

But at the same time, are we really trying to search for certainty where there can't be any?

And then in doing so, kind of stifling our kids and also not getting to know them.

Exactly.

And I think we even can question whether or not it's just a facade of certainty that we have.

Basically, when we can realize that even the answer that we gain is provisional in life, that even the certainties that we hold dear are really not etched in stone.

Yes, and that's why uncertainty helps us be nimble and agile.

And that doesn't mean we're insecure or feeling that life is quicksand.

Rather, it means we grow stronger as we wake up to life as it is rather than life as we assume it to be or wish it to be.

And that's a really important way to discover a more flourishing life

as well as it's a very important way to relate to one another.

I mean, one of the ways in which I have learned from uncertainty in my personal life is that, you know, when one of my daughters was upset, you know, my younger, I would try to just give her an answer or sort of, you know, say it'll be okay.

And in essence, I thought this was

you know, either cheering her up or helping her out.

But in essence, I realized in retrospect, it was kind of shutting down her ability to be in that moment and investigate and reflect.

And I was shutting down that kind of ability to be in the uncomfortable middle space between question and answer.

Oh, thank you.

Really wonderful, interesting conversation.

And I'm glad to be pushed on the points that you wanted to clarify.

That's really helpful for me to understand.