Maitlis

And they still remember, you know, the communism, the invasion of 56 and all the rest of it with a sort of dread in their hearts.

And so I think it does feel like...

kind of pivot now for Hungary.

It's going to start to look towards a reintegration with the EU, which, you know, it hasn't seen for a decade.

Yeah, I mean, this takes us back to the sort of question we asked right at the beginning, which is, should European populists start to feel a bit more worried after the defeat of Viktor Orban?

And if I take you back nearly a decade, Steve Bannon, you know, this sort of architect of Trump's 2016 campaign,

was just starting on this kind of European grand tour.

Because don't forget, you know, the thing that unites all these anti-globalization guys is their love of globalized populism.

And Steve Bannon could go around Europe and find friends wherever he went, whether it was the populists of Maloney in Italy, whether it was the populists of the far right, the Front National or Assemblée Nationale and Marine Le Pen,

and her cronies in France, whether it was Erdogan in Turkey, whether it was Orban in Hungary, whether it was the Law and Justice Party in Poland.

And kind of like Skittles, they're not kind of as upright as they once were, right?

So if you're looking now...

And if you are trying to still get into power on a populist card, what would you learn?

Would you learn not to be so close to Putin?

Would you, as you say, learn not to be so close to Trump?

Would you learn that actually the only thing that the electorate is able to listen to at the moment is Putin?

Policies that center on economics, on affordability, on the price of gas at the pump.

And again, that takes you back to Trump, because who's the person that's pushed up the price of gas at the pump?

It's one Donald Trump.

You know, this is where Iran has led.