Malcolm Gladwell

And he calls 911 not just because Floyd has cut his mouth, but because he believes that he is suffering from excited delirium and that he's in a very vulnerable state. And then Lane says to... Chauvin repeatedly, this guy's not doing well. You got to get off him and you got to put him in the recovery position.

I would also point out that when you was making a distinction between these two, is he someone who was going to die because he had these preexisting issues or does he die because of uh, positional asphyxia, you know, the, what the cops did to him.

I would also point out that when you was making a distinction between these two, is he someone who was going to die because he had these preexisting issues or does he die because of uh, positional asphyxia, you know, the, what the cops did to him.

I would also point out that when you was making a distinction between these two, is he someone who was going to die because he had these preexisting issues or does he die because of uh, positional asphyxia, you know, the, what the cops did to him.

My suggestion is that it's, it's a combination of both that the reason why, and I wanted to, I brought up this morning, I was looking at the, um, the Minneapolis use of force guidelines and is, uh, one of the things they say is the maximal restraint technique, which is what

My suggestion is that it's, it's a combination of both that the reason why, and I wanted to, I brought up this morning, I was looking at the, um, the Minneapolis use of force guidelines and is, uh, one of the things they say is the maximal restraint technique, which is what

My suggestion is that it's, it's a combination of both that the reason why, and I wanted to, I brought up this morning, I was looking at the, um, the Minneapolis use of force guidelines and is, uh, one of the things they say is the maximal restraint technique, which is what

Chauvin's doing, shall only be used in situations where handcuffed subjects are combative and still pose a threat to themselves, officers, or others, or could cause significant damage to property if not properly restrained.

Chauvin's doing, shall only be used in situations where handcuffed subjects are combative and still pose a threat to themselves, officers, or others, or could cause significant damage to property if not properly restrained.

Chauvin's doing, shall only be used in situations where handcuffed subjects are combative and still pose a threat to themselves, officers, or others, or could cause significant damage to property if not properly restrained.

And I think the issue here is that, and the reason everyone got so upset with Chauvin's behavior, is that having restrained Floyd, having gotten him under control, he doesn't get off. And you're not supposed to do that have someone in that position for nine minutes. And the reason it's so dangerous to put someone in that position for nine minutes is not that she'll kill.

And I think the issue here is that, and the reason everyone got so upset with Chauvin's behavior, is that having restrained Floyd, having gotten him under control, he doesn't get off. And you're not supposed to do that have someone in that position for nine minutes. And the reason it's so dangerous to put someone in that position for nine minutes is not that she'll kill.

And I think the issue here is that, and the reason everyone got so upset with Chauvin's behavior, is that having restrained Floyd, having gotten him under control, he doesn't get off. And you're not supposed to do that have someone in that position for nine minutes. And the reason it's so dangerous to put someone in that position for nine minutes is not that she'll kill.

If someone put me in that position for nine minutes, I'm not going to die, right? I'll be very uncomfortable. I'll be short of breath, but I won't die. But the reason you don't do it for 90 minutes to someone who you've just arrested is you don't know what their underlying conditions is, right? You don't know whether they have a heart condition. You don't know whether they have...

If someone put me in that position for nine minutes, I'm not going to die, right? I'll be very uncomfortable. I'll be short of breath, but I won't die. But the reason you don't do it for 90 minutes to someone who you've just arrested is you don't know what their underlying conditions is, right? You don't know whether they have a heart condition. You don't know whether they have...

If someone put me in that position for nine minutes, I'm not going to die, right? I'll be very uncomfortable. I'll be short of breath, but I won't die. But the reason you don't do it for 90 minutes to someone who you've just arrested is you don't know what their underlying conditions is, right? You don't know whether they have a heart condition. You don't know whether they have...

COVID and lungs filled with fluid. And so you have to be careful. There's a point that the Minneapolis head of detectives makes in the trial when he says, he repeats that police adage, when someone is in your custody, he's in your care. And Lane has that position. He's like, this man is now in our care and he's suffering. And Chauvin seems indifferent, and that's the issue now.

COVID and lungs filled with fluid. And so you have to be careful. There's a point that the Minneapolis head of detectives makes in the trial when he says, he repeats that police adage, when someone is in your custody, he's in your care. And Lane has that position. He's like, this man is now in our care and he's suffering. And Chauvin seems indifferent, and that's the issue now.

COVID and lungs filled with fluid. And so you have to be careful. There's a point that the Minneapolis head of detectives makes in the trial when he says, he repeats that police adage, when someone is in your custody, he's in your care. And Lane has that position. He's like, this man is now in our care and he's suffering. And Chauvin seems indifferent, and that's the issue now.

Let me ask you this. So one of the things I think that the difference in the approach that you took in your series and the approach that we took in ours was that we were focused on the question of whether Derek Chauvin was a good police officer. And you were focused on the question of whether the legal system treated him fairly. And they're different questions, as you point out.