Malcolm Gladwell

Let me ask you this. So one of the things I think that the difference in the approach that you took in your series and the approach that we took in ours was that we were focused on the question of whether Derek Chauvin was a good police officer. And you were focused on the question of whether the legal system treated him fairly. And they're different questions, as you point out.

Let me ask you this. So one of the things I think that the difference in the approach that you took in your series and the approach that we took in ours was that we were focused on the question of whether Derek Chauvin was a good police officer. And you were focused on the question of whether the legal system treated him fairly. And they're different questions, as you point out.

But I would love for you to respond to our question. Do you think that the way he conducted himself on the night of the George Floyd arrest, was good police work.

But I would love for you to respond to our question. Do you think that the way he conducted himself on the night of the George Floyd arrest, was good police work.

But I would love for you to respond to our question. Do you think that the way he conducted himself on the night of the George Floyd arrest, was good police work.

Thomas Lane does not believe that Derek Chauvin was doing good police work on the night of the George Floyd arrest. So there are other- officers, peer officers, who look, who were there on the scene, who were aghast at what Chauvin was doing. Genevieve Hansen, who is one of the first to arrive on the scene, who was a firefighter, a Minneapolis firefighter who was out for a walk that night.

Thomas Lane does not believe that Derek Chauvin was doing good police work on the night of the George Floyd arrest. So there are other- officers, peer officers, who look, who were there on the scene, who were aghast at what Chauvin was doing. Genevieve Hansen, who is one of the first to arrive on the scene, who was a firefighter, a Minneapolis firefighter who was out for a walk that night.

Thomas Lane does not believe that Derek Chauvin was doing good police work on the night of the George Floyd arrest. So there are other- officers, peer officers, who look, who were there on the scene, who were aghast at what Chauvin was doing. Genevieve Hansen, who is one of the first to arrive on the scene, who was a firefighter, a Minneapolis firefighter who was out for a walk that night.

She's the one, one of the most vocal voices in the crowd who's screaming to Chauvin, get off him. He's dying, get off him. He's dying. She's someone who's very familiar with first responding work. And she was aghast at his behavior.

She's the one, one of the most vocal voices in the crowd who's screaming to Chauvin, get off him. He's dying, get off him. He's dying. She's someone who's very familiar with first responding work. And she was aghast at his behavior.

She's the one, one of the most vocal voices in the crowd who's screaming to Chauvin, get off him. He's dying, get off him. He's dying. She's someone who's very familiar with first responding work. And she was aghast at his behavior.

The chief of... The 9-11 dispatcher on the night of... Who was watching the whole thing on... In Minneapolis Police Department had a camera on the corner of 38th and Chicago. So she was able to watch it. She's the first person to watch the video. She watched it in real time from the 9-11 dispatch office. She's so unbelievably...

The chief of... The 9-11 dispatcher on the night of... Who was watching the whole thing on... In Minneapolis Police Department had a camera on the corner of 38th and Chicago. So she was able to watch it. She's the first person to watch the video. She watched it in real time from the 9-11 dispatch office. She's so unbelievably...

The chief of... The 9-11 dispatcher on the night of... Who was watching the whole thing on... In Minneapolis Police Department had a camera on the corner of 38th and Chicago. So she was able to watch it. She's the first person to watch the video. She watched it in real time from the 9-11 dispatch office. She's so unbelievably...

shocked at what she's seeing that she asks whether the camera's frozen. She can't believe he's still on, he's still doing that technique for nine minutes on Floyd. And she calls for the first time in her seven years as a, as a 911 dispatcher calls the Sergeant in the local precinct and says, you've got to get down there. Something bad is going on. So there's lots of people who,

shocked at what she's seeing that she asks whether the camera's frozen. She can't believe he's still on, he's still doing that technique for nine minutes on Floyd. And she calls for the first time in her seven years as a, as a 911 dispatcher calls the Sergeant in the local precinct and says, you've got to get down there. Something bad is going on. So there's lots of people who,

shocked at what she's seeing that she asks whether the camera's frozen. She can't believe he's still on, he's still doing that technique for nine minutes on Floyd. And she calls for the first time in her seven years as a, as a 911 dispatcher calls the Sergeant in the local precinct and says, you've got to get down there. Something bad is going on. So there's lots of people who,

credible people that night who are observing his technique and are saying, this is not the way police officers are supposed to handle a case. And if the guy has been saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, as you point out correctly, this is a crucial point that I'm so happy you made. Floyd saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, before they put him on the ground, right?

credible people that night who are observing his technique and are saying, this is not the way police officers are supposed to handle a case. And if the guy has been saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, as you point out correctly, this is a crucial point that I'm so happy you made. Floyd saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, before they put him on the ground, right?

credible people that night who are observing his technique and are saying, this is not the way police officers are supposed to handle a case. And if the guy has been saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, as you point out correctly, this is a crucial point that I'm so happy you made. Floyd saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, before they put him on the ground, right?