Malcolm Gladwell

It was about relationships. And that's why marriage was being denied. And that show is just about a, is about a successful relationship involving a, and in the previous sort of, to get your point, Trevor, the preachiness assumed the problem was specific to something about marriage. The gay person and the way they practice their life. No, no, no, no.

It was about relationships. And that's why marriage was being denied. And that show is just about a, is about a successful relationship involving a, and in the previous sort of, to get your point, Trevor, the preachiness assumed the problem was specific to something about marriage. The gay person and the way they practice their life. No, no, no, no.

It was a separate thing about could they participate in something that straight people have been participating in for thousands and thousands of years? And just getting people to say, oh, yeah, they can participate. That's all we needed. Yeah. You didn't need to win the bigger battle. Right.

It was a separate thing about could they participate in something that straight people have been participating in for thousands and thousands of years? And just getting people to say, oh, yeah, they can participate. That's all we needed. Yeah. You didn't need to win the bigger battle. Right.

It's also the soccer thing is great because the key to getting people to making that magic happen is to have everyone give everyone a job to do. You're all busy. That's why it works. Right? That's the kind of, like, I always, the busyness thing, if you're all focused on the game, you're exhausted, you're running up and down. Who has time for all the nonsense? Yeah.

It's also the soccer thing is great because the key to getting people to making that magic happen is to have everyone give everyone a job to do. You're all busy. That's why it works. Right? That's the kind of, like, I always, the busyness thing, if you're all focused on the game, you're exhausted, you're running up and down. Who has time for all the nonsense? Yeah.

No, I've worked it out that I have 45 minutes to myself a day. Okay. Between 10 and 10.45. That's my time. Okay. And you write your book. That's all I got. That's all I got. And you write your book. No, no, no, no. No, I don't know. I also thought it would be fun. I've been enjoying myself tremendously over the last... Ever since I started podcasting stuff, it's loosened me up about...

No, I've worked it out that I have 45 minutes to myself a day. Okay. Between 10 and 10.45. That's my time. Okay. And you write your book. That's all I got. That's all I got. And you write your book. No, no, no, no. No, I don't know. I also thought it would be fun. I've been enjoying myself tremendously over the last... Ever since I started podcasting stuff, it's loosened me up about...

I'm a lot less precious about the stuff I do and I'm doing different kinds of stories. My position now is why not? And why not do something? It sounds like it'll be interesting. Who knows what'll happen? The turning point for me was... Well, when I started the podcast and I started doing weird show, like shows on cranky kind of, you know, going after golfers or whatever.

I'm a lot less precious about the stuff I do and I'm doing different kinds of stories. My position now is why not? And why not do something? It sounds like it'll be interesting. Who knows what'll happen? The turning point for me was... Well, when I started the podcast and I started doing weird show, like shows on cranky kind of, you know, going after golfers or whatever.

And I was like, that was really fun. Like, I didn't realize that. And then I did that audio book with Paul Simon, with my friend Bruce, which, you know, I don't really know that much about music. I know I like Paul Simon and we just sat down with him and it was just so, we did hours and hours of interviews with him and it was, literally changed my life.

And I was like, that was really fun. Like, I didn't realize that. And then I did that audio book with Paul Simon, with my friend Bruce, which, you know, I don't really know that much about music. I know I like Paul Simon and we just sat down with him and it was just so, we did hours and hours of interviews with him and it was, literally changed my life.

I just realized, wow, I thought I was in this for the writing. I'm not. I'm in this because I like talking to people. I like interviewing them. That's what I like. And when I realized that, I was like, oh, this clarifies everything. I shouldn't be obsessing about how I'm going to make a story out of this. I should be obsessing about the The interview. Yeah. The conversation.

I just realized, wow, I thought I was in this for the writing. I'm not. I'm in this because I like talking to people. I like interviewing them. That's what I like. And when I realized that, I was like, oh, this clarifies everything. I shouldn't be obsessing about how I'm going to make a story out of this. I should be obsessing about the The interview. Yeah. The conversation.

And so I did it again this summer with this incredible woman. And I met with her like eight times. And she's someone who deals with trauma. I'm going to get emotional. She was involved with a guy on death row and she fails to save him and he gets killed by the state. Yeah. And I wanted to know what was going through her head when he died. That's what I wanted to know.

And so I did it again this summer with this incredible woman. And I met with her like eight times. And she's someone who deals with trauma. I'm going to get emotional. She was involved with a guy on death row and she fails to save him and he gets killed by the state. Yeah. And I wanted to know what was going through her head when he died. That's what I wanted to know.

And I decided I was going to take the long path. We took 16 hours, whatever it was, to get there. Wow. And then we kind of got there and I was completely overwhelmed. I couldn't stop crying. I just was, it was so, and then I interviewed, I went back and I interviewed the, it was so unprofessional. I interviewed the lawyer, the guy's lawyer.

And I decided I was going to take the long path. We took 16 hours, whatever it was, to get there. Wow. And then we kind of got there and I was completely overwhelmed. I couldn't stop crying. I just was, it was so, and then I interviewed, I went back and I interviewed the, it was so unprofessional. I interviewed the lawyer, the guy's lawyer.

and I had him tell the same story and I, I couldn't stop crying. I just, I had to end the interview. I was like, sorry, I'm sorry, sir. I can't, I can't. It's just, but it was because I just made that invest, that investment. And I had just sat and listened, right? That's, I realized at the grand old age of 61, I realized that's what I want to do. Like that's,

and I had him tell the same story and I, I couldn't stop crying. I just, I had to end the interview. I was like, sorry, I'm sorry, sir. I can't, I can't. It's just, but it was because I just made that invest, that investment. And I had just sat and listened, right? That's, I realized at the grand old age of 61, I realized that's what I want to do. Like that's,