Malcolm Gladwell

And there's a lot of that in this book. It's a lot of just sitting and listening to people and kind of trying to make sense of them.

And there's a lot of that in this book. It's a lot of just sitting and listening to people and kind of trying to make sense of them.

Can I tell you my South Africa story on this very front? Yeah, for sure. The president of South Africa, his name is Ram... Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa. Cyril Ramaphosa. So I'm at this conference in South Africa. Actually, that's when I texted you because I was walking around, came down and I was like, white people know their real estate. And then... And Trevor's like, yes, they do.

Can I tell you my South Africa story on this very front? Yeah, for sure. The president of South Africa, his name is Ram... Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa. Cyril Ramaphosa. So I'm at this conference in South Africa. Actually, that's when I texted you because I was walking around, came down and I was like, white people know their real estate. And then... And Trevor's like, yes, they do.

So I go to this conference and Ramaphosa is speaking. He gets up in front of the stage. He's like, and the lights go out, right? Because the power is always going off in Cape Town. And there's silence. And then you hear Ramaphosa saying, it's all my fault. And the whole room just starts laughing. And it's like,

So I go to this conference and Ramaphosa is speaking. He gets up in front of the stage. He's like, and the lights go out, right? Because the power is always going off in Cape Town. And there's silence. And then you hear Ramaphosa saying, it's all my fault. And the whole room just starts laughing. And it's like,

How many leaders of major countries in the world would make a self-deprecating joke at that moment? Because it's been a huge political issue for him. It's been a huge issue. And so what does he do? And it's like, it was hilarious. It's just hilarious. I was like, this is off topic, but I was chatting with all these people at this conference.

How many leaders of major countries in the world would make a self-deprecating joke at that moment? Because it's been a huge political issue for him. It's been a huge issue. And so what does he do? And it's like, it was hilarious. It's just hilarious. I was like, this is off topic, but I was chatting with all these people at this conference.

And I'm talking about, I was like, you know, haven't a lot of people been leaving South Africa? Aren't you worried? This guy says now it's the best thing. He's like, the only people left in South Africa now are the people who want to be here. Yeah. I thought that was fantastic. It like totally changed my perception of, it's like, that's right.

And I'm talking about, I was like, you know, haven't a lot of people been leaving South Africa? Aren't you worried? This guy says now it's the best thing. He's like, the only people left in South Africa now are the people who want to be here. Yeah. I thought that was fantastic. It like totally changed my perception of, it's like, that's right.

They're the ones who are tough enough and interested and committed. And like, at his point was like, let them go. You know, we're here. It's beautiful. Yeah.

They're the ones who are tough enough and interested and committed. And like, at his point was like, let them go. You know, we're here. It's beautiful. Yeah.

No, you're absolutely right. Do you do this? I've started to do this now and it's so terrible. I now, with no standing whatsoever other than three years as a parent, I'm just openly critiquing people's parenting.

No, you're absolutely right. Do you do this? I've started to do this now and it's so terrible. I now, with no standing whatsoever other than three years as a parent, I'm just openly critiquing people's parenting.

You got to stop it. I'm for a go. It makes it worse. Oh, yeah.

You got to stop it. I'm for a go. It makes it worse. Oh, yeah.

There's zero connection between any intellectual idea I've ever held and my parenting. This is another thing that's totally surprising. No, no, no.

There's zero connection between any intellectual idea I've ever held and my parenting. This is another thing that's totally surprising. No, no, no.

Well, I always think that they're free content. I find them just endlessly hilarious and it makes it very difficult for me to take other things as serious. Oh, there you go. So it is part of like, they just become the center of your universe and everything else sort of fades away in importance. Any disappointment I have is irrelevant to them. It's just so liberating. Yeah.

Well, I always think that they're free content. I find them just endlessly hilarious and it makes it very difficult for me to take other things as serious. Oh, there you go. So it is part of like, they just become the center of your universe and everything else sort of fades away in importance. Any disappointment I have is irrelevant to them. It's just so liberating. Yeah.