Manda Scott

He said, there's no way I'm going to be able to change his mind if I'm not open to the idea that he might change my mind.

And that's what people in the middle, not political middle, but the people who believe that reasonable differences and dissonance and divergence is the key to finding a future we can all agree on.

That's what we need.

So I vehemently agree with you.

It's not the political middle.

It's the people willing to hold the dissonance and to say, I don't have to be in the tribe.

I don't have to be right.

I've got to understand how other people see things.

So I vehemently agree with you.

Well, you know, as I was, first of all, like Suzette, I share a belief when you get people thinking about the future in a systemic and thoughtful way, amazing things happen.

As Suzette knows, I'm on the foresight team at the Stimson Center in Washington, D.C.

And, you know, we're big believers in that and future design and future foresight work.

It seems to me that the only way, so I agree with you, Suzette,

And I agree with you, Amanda, that in the current system, it'd be almost impossible to get there.

So two thoughts.

One is, again, I think it has to begin locally because I think you can make it happen locally and it will create an appetite and a pressure for the system to

Do that.

Right.

So it's not going to happen in the Congress first.

You know, imagine the U.S.