Manda Scott

So a lot of people and Joe Biden even mused about is democracy up for the challenges of a complex society.

So first, you have to experience that it's broken.

The second thing is, you know, you look at the 12 step program is really an inner journey.

Yes.

And so I have no experience of it personally, but there's lots of people I know have been through it.

And one of the interesting things is I think we have to start talking about the democracy.

It all begins with conversation.

You know, David Cooper writer, you know, famous for appreciative inquiry, says change begins with the first question.

And I think we need to have thousands of conversations in democracies about what's broken about and how would we want it to be different?

Because the other thing is you can't change something just because you have a push away from something.

Yeah, you have to know what you're going towards.

You have to have a pull towards something.

So we have no vision, really, common vision of what it might look like.

And this seems like, here's my temptation.

Some people say this seems like silly work now, right?

Because with all these problems going on, isn't it silly to have people dialoguing about what's broken and what we want?

I don't think so, because that's the groundwork.

for change.

Now, you're right, Amanda, the clock is against us right now.

But again, just like in our personal lives, it's not enough to say, I'm going to give up alcohol and go cold turkey.