Mandy Kelly

And obviously, I can't even tell you, I don't even have the words.

My whole body went into a complete freeze.

And there was absolutely, I tried anything and everything to negotiate with him.

And there was no talking with him.

Absolutely no talking with him.

We had to get COVID tests to be able to travel back to Ireland.

So I thought by walking to the COVID centre, which was quite close to where we were staying, the kid's grandmother and his family had been staying in the apartment that morning.

So I just thought if I had got to speak with him in private for 10 minutes, that, you know, I would let him, get him to see sense.

But, um, during that negotiation stage, um, both of him, both him and I had an argument and he went back to the apartment and took the two boys.

And that was the last time I saw Zayn and Cream.

Well, I went back to the apartment later that evening and, um,

He came and that's when I was locked in the apartment, to be honest, Ciarán.

No.

You haven't seen a hair on their head for four years and three months?

I have one picture of my oldest son.

Yes, yes.

And the boys.

The boys are not to return to Ireland.

Then I went through days of trying to negotiate with him and I'm just going to give you the main points.

He wanted me to go return to Ireland on my own and I had bought the family home the year before.