Manoush Zomorodi

I'm going in a different direction.

I'm going with, I think, taking a page out of Marc Maron's book.

So our fellow podcaster, host of WTF, I think his show was on for 16 years.

Is that right?

Was it 16?

And he just was like, I think I'm done.

And I think as a Gen Xer, I think people are craving things to be done.

Like, let's end things.

That's not in an existential way.

I don't mean it that way.

But what I mean is like, you know, chapters end, new ones start.

Yeah.

And that's OK.

Like, I think there's this sense of constant churn, churn, churn to, you know, as you were saying, Madhupe, a lot of people aren't happy because they want to get off and they don't see how to.

Okay, so I'm going to...

Put in a plug here, Elise, my book's coming out next year, and I have an entire chapter about older adults and their relationship with their technology.

But the interesting thing is there is burgeoning research into some technology, depending on what they're doing.

You know, sharing AI slop with their busy daughters doesn't count.

But if they're learning to use new tools, digital tools, there actually is some evidence linking that to diminished dementia.

So I think with all of our conversation, it's like tech is like, you know, it's not good.