Marc Ellis

Yeah.

But the secondary schools, Philo Teatea made that.

Guy Perry-Freshwater, who propped for England in the end, made that.

I hope I'm not forgetting anyone, but I think we might have been the only three.

Oh, I remember there was a guy who played centre for New Zealand under-21s or under-19s.

Can't remember his name, but he was a superstar.

He was a Polynesian fella.

Oh, yeah.

And I thought, like, this guy's, you know, next level.

He's going to go on and on.

And I don't know what happened.

Yeah.

I mean, it's funny.

You get...

all these kids these days who are being cherry-picked at school, which I reckon is a bit of a shit, right?

Even if you're Christian Cullen, you might have five, six years in the All Blacks.

They're not going to pay you enough so you don't have to work after, unless you're a superstar, which, I mean, rugby's following soccer, whereas when we played, the team was a team and the coach would speak and the captain would speak and everyone else was...

the same now you've got Dan Carter's original cause you can go on to or Bowdoin Barrett's you can go on to make you know very very good money and the endorsements thereafter and yeah you know um who was the prop who grew a moustache it's all about marketing these days if you can zig when everyone else is zagging and create a bit of space then that'll be rewarded financially so but still I think you know 99% of people even if they are you know earmarked at school yeah

A bloody hard road.

And guys like that I was just talking about, who was the best player in the under 21s, disappeared.