Marc J. Dunkelman

That was.

Whitmer, fix the, I mean, anyway.

They're trying, they're trying, yeah.

everyone, I think people are catching on to this stuff.

Um, and I do hope that this becomes like, I really do hope that this conversation can be a way for, uh, for people on the left and the, you know, sort of in the more progressive circles and more modern circles to come together, you know, um, and,

If – I'm not a single-payer guy.

But if I were a single-payer person, I would think to get there, you have to believe –

that people will need to have faith that government is going to administer healthcare better than Aetna or CVS or whoever, Blue Cross Blue Shield, like whoever you're, right?

And like right now, like is your experience with government such that like you feel like you go into the DMV and like that's a happy place?

Like are those the people that you trust to do things

uh, in an expeditious way.

And like, like, like, you know, the Rhode Island DMV, uh, I'm from Rhode Island.

I love those guys.

Like I, my, my license has come up for renewal and I just want to put that on the record.

But, uh, but like generally I, I, I, I, I'm not sure that people have the experience in seeing like if, if, if these guys can't successfully accomplish the things that are already within their mandate or,

Why are we going to expand their mandate?

So let's get these things done and then let's have a discussion about whether government bureaucracies are better poised to accomplish for ordinary people the things that they can't.

Yeah.

I don't I don't like calling to the establishment.

The establishment to me is like this old thing.