Marc J. Dunkelman

There were lots of negative stories.

It was one of Trump's attacks on the Democratic Party.

That wasn't laziness.

It wasn't the bureaucracy gone wrong.

It wasn't anyone's fault per se, but it was the way that the government has been structured.

Something that happened between when the TVA was able to do things expeditiously and

and the period where government looked incompetent.

And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't government got lazy.

It was that we had inserted so many process checks into the system that we Democrats and progressives and reformers who were afraid of government working too fast and in many cases doing things that were bad made it so that government couldn't work effectively.

Right.

I wonder, I mean, it's an excellent counterfactual.

I'd want to ask the folks who are involved, what would the electrical workers think?

What would our allies as the state levels think about being preempted?

Yeah, I mean, even by the time you get to the Johnson administration, you know, the war on poverty, there is a proposal for a jobs core program, which would have trained lots of young people to work in the building trades.

And, like, the unions that are allies of the Johnson administration kill it in the process of negotiation.

They don't want...

a bevy of new supply of labor to come in and compete with them.

Yes.

I mean, Franklin – I mean, those are – that's an interesting question.

At this point, the notion at the moment of creating a huge new federal workforce to do this – Or anything.