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Marc Lynch

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304 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

And I think that narrative

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

has really grown subconsciously, even for people who are not religious, in a way that it really dominates the thinking and in a visible way in the West Bank.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

And that's why a lot of people look away.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

They don't agree with the crazies who are killing or doing something and they want to pretend it doesn't exist, but they're not entirely uncomfortable with the outcome.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

No, we didn't say we don't agree.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

Actually, we put it on a scale.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

On the one end, you have citizens who do have civil rights and can vote and get elected.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

They're discriminated against in a very real way, structurally and in practice, for sure.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

But then on the other hand, you have these Gaza and the West Bank on the other end of the spectrum.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

So the reality is that if the chief of police is supremacist,

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

who thinks a Jewish life is more valuable than Arab life.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

It's not about citizenship.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

It's about ethnicity.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

It's about religion.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

And there are fears already.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

You could see the tension.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

It's hard to also decouple, particularly in times of war and crisis.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

But what happens is that, let's say you're in a factory together, an Israeli citizen who is Jewish and Israeli citizen who is an Arab, and they're working together.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

And they post on social media.

The Ezra Klein Show
Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’

And the Palestinian is saying, this is genocide, what's happening, what the Israelis are doing.