Marc Maron

All right, let's do this.

How are you, folks?

This is it.

This is the last episode of WTF.

I didn't really know what we were going to do for this episode.

Initially, I thought, well, maybe I could just talk to you guys and reflect.

But we did that on Thursday.

So then it came down to, well, who are we going to have on the last episode?

And well, you know, I do a lot of talking about how I feel about the world, both interior and exterior, micro, macro, what's going on in me, how am I reacting to what's going on in the world?

And it became clear that the guest we needed to have was singular.

in that he could address the importance of this being our final episode, but also address how we move through the world we're living in, as frightening as it is, with what's happening.

And how do we do it with some grace and perhaps some hope and some focus and really call on

what's going on, what it is.

And that guest is President Barack Obama.

So I went to Washington, D.C.

He came to my house the last time, so I figured I'd go to him.

And we sat down for about an hour plus, and we talked about a lot of things.

But I think there's a lot of grounding, sort of instructive,

in this conversation about how we frame where we're at and how we think about it and what's necessary.

So this is me talking to Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, in Washington, D.C.,