Marc Maron

And how do we do it with some grace and perhaps some hope and some focus and really call on

what's going on, what it is.

And that guest is President Barack Obama.

So I went to Washington, D.C.

He came to my house the last time, so I figured I'd go to him.

And we sat down for about an hour plus, and we talked about a lot of things.

But I think there's a lot of grounding, sort of instructive,

in this conversation about how we frame where we're at and how we think about it and what's necessary.

So this is me talking to Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, in Washington, D.C.,

Yeah.

You get used to it, but not unlike, I'm sure, your gig.

Sometimes it's not going to go exactly right.

Yeah.

Reps in talking to people and reps in comedy.

But it's weird with both for me.

Because I seem to get just as anxious and... It never goes away.

Not for me.

Because I don't know if it's part of my preparation, but with stand-up, it's a little less where I know that a part of me lives up there, that I exist on that stage.

And so I don't freak myself out as much, but...

But with conversations, I don't generally know what's going to happen, and the anxiety is different.