Marc Maron

And then Jeff Ulrich and Scott Aukerman put Midroll together and the Earwolf Network.

And that created a platform to get advertisers into specifically podcasting.

So everyone sort of came up together, but it wasn't until I guess, hey, Charlie, get away from the plastic.

Charlie, I'm going to throw you out, stupid.

So that's how you talk to a cat, by the way.

I don't know.

It was a slow going, but the great thing about it was everybody kind of came up together, sort of like show business.

Everybody was kind of figuring it out as we all went along, and then big money got involved, and then some people won, and some people did okay.

Come on.

Hold on, let me get him out of here.

Let me get him out of here.

This cat is magic.

Get out.

You can eat plastic and throw up.

I don't care.

We got to get Charlie on the run.

But yeah, I mean, it took a long time to really get it together and then to make a living.

It took years for my producer to come on with me permanently.

He was actually had another job at MSNBC while he was kind of moonlighting and he couldn't even admit that he worked with me.

because there's a non-disclosure you couldn't you know he couldn't um oh i see yeah it was it was part of his contract with msnbc and i felt horrible about it because he's doing half the work and i and i just had to be like well i have a mystery guy that uh helps me with this i send it into the ether once or twice a week it's good more attention on you that's not horrible