Marcelo Pugliasi

Oh, yeah.

We're trying to make 3.5 times our revenue.

So it's about $75 million.

Sorry, $75 million.

In dollar, I think it's $20 million.

Yeah, that's right.

I think at this moment we are in an unusual position because in Brazil we have lots of VCs and early stage money and we don't have more funds specific to growth money or to later stages.

So we are actually talking to some funds in the US because we are kind of cheap and they have more track record working with companies that are not in the early stages.

and we are also speaking with very few people here in Brazil that can handle a company with our profile.

And actually we found out that here in Brazil we had to do private equity, but we are still small for them, you know?

So we are in an unusual spot that we are not big and not small anymore, you know?

That's it.

Uh, we, we, uh, improved our sales in 20%, 20, 22%.

And I think, uh, we are, we will have the same rate this year between 20 and 25%.

Uh, uh,

Of course, as an entrepreneur, I see room to improve our sales, but it's not a bad rate.

For a company of our size, it's not a bad rate.

Yeah, that's right.

At this very moment, I think our challenge is to have money, to improve our sales and marketing teams, and to also improve our products.

Because...