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Yeah.

And as we talked about when we talked about that rumor of touch on the Mac, I think most of the value of touch on the Mac is scrolling and panning and zooming.

Yeah, and using iPad apps.

But what most people want touch on their laptops for usually is just pinching to zoom on something on their screen or something like that.

Yeah, I think that kind of stuff is going to work pretty well regardless.

To make macOS really touch-friendly beyond that level would require...

effectively designing it into ipad os like radical and you wouldn't want that because you'd be you'd be losing like the mac is the platform where you have precise pointing and lots of applications are only possible with precise pointing and they run the mac exactly like the the amount of radical redesigning on on the mac to be required to turn it into a really good like touch os

the metrics, the sizing of every control would have to change.

The spacing of everything would have to change.

The height, the thickness, even the font size, so much stuff would have to change.

That would be radically, broadly destructive to the Mac.

Not only do I not think it's a good idea, but I also, again, we were just talking about the resources the Mac has given.

I don't think Apple would invest that much into the Mac to change that much for gains that I don't think anybody's really necessarily asking for.

Honestly, I don't have a strong opinion here.

You know, when I look back, I also started using the Mac, I believe, in Tiger.

um yeah so i started sorry christian i believe i started using it in panther um and i upgraded the tiger on that same power mac g4 or power book g4 excuse me um but uh yeah so like when i look at screenshots of panther um it's very nostalgic for me it's like oh that was my first mac like it was great but of course it looks old by today's standards so you know i recognize that

And to be clear also, when I'm criticizing the 26 redesigns, I'm not saying that the previous redesign should just be brought back, just revert back, and that's the best thing.

No.

We should move over time.

We should change over time.