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but and you wonder like well how did this get through the process at apple you know like you can you can point at certain you know certain things here and there that doesn't happen that often with apple because they're pretty they're a pretty well-run company but you know you look at things like you know like the the outside eye display on the vision pro maybe like we're like you can see why maybe some designers thought this would be a cool idea but maybe somewhere on the process the process failed in like that shouldn't have made it out to the public

but and you wonder like well how did this get through the process at apple you know like you can you can point at certain you know certain things here and there that doesn't happen that often with apple because they're pretty they're a pretty well-run company but you know you look at things like you know like the the outside eye display on the vision pro maybe like we're like you can see why maybe some designers thought this would be a cool idea but maybe somewhere on the process the process failed in like that shouldn't have made it out to the public

Well, the entire Humane AI pin product and everything Humane seemed to do should have been cut before it went to the public. And it was very obvious to everyone when it came out. It's kind of a weird idea. It's probably not going to work. Not a great selling proposition either. It's shocking they lasted a year of it being in the market.

Well, the entire Humane AI pin product and everything Humane seemed to do should have been cut before it went to the public. And it was very obvious to everyone when it came out. It's kind of a weird idea. It's probably not going to work. Not a great selling proposition either. It's shocking they lasted a year of it being in the market.

I think most of the time was spent trying to sell the company.

I think most of the time was spent trying to sell the company.

and i think and going back you know i do think that their their whole thing about being like an ai device that did that does seem like that was a later pivot that the original goal of humane the company was before the llm revolution and and the original goal of it was probably something else and they probably pivoted to this because their original goal wasn't going to be plausible it

and i think and going back you know i do think that their their whole thing about being like an ai device that did that does seem like that was a later pivot that the original goal of humane the company was before the llm revolution and and the original goal of it was probably something else and they probably pivoted to this because their original goal wasn't going to be plausible it

But to be clear, it's iPhone space one six lowercase e. Is this going to be one of those things to kind of like like when they used to do S phones where we all just put the capital S, even though the Apple officially lower cases it?

But to be clear, it's iPhone space one six lowercase e. Is this going to be one of those things to kind of like like when they used to do S phones where we all just put the capital S, even though the Apple officially lower cases it?

Yeah, this is, I mean, that's huge. Like the iPhone SE, which is now dead and now replaced by the 16E. This is not an exciting product in most ways. This is not a product that I think most tech podcast-ers or listeners care about or even remember exists most of the time. But this, the fact that they have a sell modem that Apple made that is in this for the first time, that is...

Yeah, this is, I mean, that's huge. Like the iPhone SE, which is now dead and now replaced by the 16E. This is not an exciting product in most ways. This is not a product that I think most tech podcast-ers or listeners care about or even remember exists most of the time. But this, the fact that they have a sell modem that Apple made that is in this for the first time, that is...

If the iPhone 17 line... If the iPhone 17 family. Yes, right. If the iPhone 17 family has more entrants in the Apple C modem lineage, I don't know, whatever. This is big. As we mentioned in the past, there's a huge amount of risk associated with Apple making their own cell modem. There are substantial benefits they could reap from it. So we'll see how this goes.

If the iPhone 17 line... If the iPhone 17 family. Yes, right. If the iPhone 17 family has more entrants in the Apple C modem lineage, I don't know, whatever. This is big. As we mentioned in the past, there's a huge amount of risk associated with Apple making their own cell modem. There are substantial benefits they could reap from it. So we'll see how this goes.

But that, to me, that's the story of the day.

But that, to me, that's the story of the day.

I would think that would be integrated into, like, you know, the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth radio stack, too. Like, I don't know.

I would think that would be integrated into, like, you know, the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth radio stack, too. Like, I don't know.

Well, I think it makes sense. When you look at all the other things that the SE line, which I guess is now the E line, maybe their S key stopped working. No, it's a 16 family. There is no SE line anymore. Right. Anyway, when you look at what these phones have lacked...

Well, I think it makes sense. When you look at all the other things that the SE line, which I guess is now the E line, maybe their S key stopped working. No, it's a 16 family. There is no SE line anymore. Right. Anyway, when you look at what these phones have lacked...