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Yeah, the iMac and the Mac Pro both come with one, and you can configure them to come with a trackpad instead. Sometimes in addition, but I think usually it's just instead now.

Yeah, the iMac and the Mac Pro both come with one, and you can configure them to come with a trackpad instead. Sometimes in addition, but I think usually it's just instead now.

They should put it inside the Mac Pro in a bay somewhere.

They should put it inside the Mac Pro in a bay somewhere.

Yeah, if that, I mean, that's obviously, you know, which one you buy and which one sell more.

Yeah, if that, I mean, that's obviously, you know, which one you buy and which one sell more.

Sure. But, you know, I think if they're going to go through the trouble of designing a mouse now, I do think there is a non-zero chance they will aim it a little bit more towards like people who actually care about mice and use mice and are experts in using mice because that is now so often that is like people are choosing to do this who like who who are actually power users now.

Sure. But, you know, I think if they're going to go through the trouble of designing a mouse now, I do think there is a non-zero chance they will aim it a little bit more towards like people who actually care about mice and use mice and are experts in using mice because that is now so often that is like people are choosing to do this who like who who are actually power users now.

So I'm not expecting this to look like the latest MX Logitech Master or whatever with 17 buttons. And I'm also not expecting it to be super ergonomic because one thing I also can't imagine Apple doing is making a left or right-sided mouse. I think they're going to make one mouse that is symmetric.

So I'm not expecting this to look like the latest MX Logitech Master or whatever with 17 buttons. And I'm also not expecting it to be super ergonomic because one thing I also can't imagine Apple doing is making a left or right-sided mouse. I think they're going to make one mouse that is symmetric.

So I would not expect the curvature that you get on like modern ergonomic gaming mice and stuff where it's like made for only a right hand or only a left hand. So what I can guess is probably going to be largely similar to what we see, but maybe they'll make it a little bit taller and a little bit boxier to be able to accommodate a charging port somewhere like on the front side. Hopefully.

So I would not expect the curvature that you get on like modern ergonomic gaming mice and stuff where it's like made for only a right hand or only a left hand. So what I can guess is probably going to be largely similar to what we see, but maybe they'll make it a little bit taller and a little bit boxier to be able to accommodate a charging port somewhere like on the front side. Hopefully.

That's what I'm guessing they're most likely to do. So if you really hate the current one for reasons other than the charge port location, I wouldn't hold your breath that they're going to make a mouse that you like. But if you use the current one and are inconvenienced by its design in a couple of ways, maybe they'll make that better.

That's what I'm guessing they're most likely to do. So if you really hate the current one for reasons other than the charge port location, I wouldn't hold your breath that they're going to make a mouse that you like. But if you use the current one and are inconvenienced by its design in a couple of ways, maybe they'll make that better.

I think it'll probably be fine. I think, if anything, they will err on the side of not changing enough. I don't think they're going to change too much. Especially, like you were saying, to make it taller, to make it better. Look at Apple's keyboards. Their keyboards are all super flat, which is not good ergonomically. It's better than them being tilted up, though.

I think it'll probably be fine. I think, if anything, they will err on the side of not changing enough. I don't think they're going to change too much. Especially, like you were saying, to make it taller, to make it better. Look at Apple's keyboards. Their keyboards are all super flat, which is not good ergonomically. It's better than them being tilted up, though.

Well, they are actually slightly tilted up. They're tilted up by like one millimeter. Apple's keyboards are also not very good ergonomically, but tons of people use them happily and they're fine. They could be better. Apple has said, okay, this is as far as we will go for ergonomics and no further. And that's currently the design of the mouse. That's why I'm thinking if they do change the mouse

Well, they are actually slightly tilted up. They're tilted up by like one millimeter. Apple's keyboards are also not very good ergonomically, but tons of people use them happily and they're fine. They could be better. Apple has said, okay, this is as far as we will go for ergonomics and no further. And that's currently the design of the mouse. That's why I'm thinking if they do change the mouse

Again, I think it's probably going to be in relatively subtle ways. I'm not expecting a major redesign. I'm expecting minor tweaks to lift up the front edge just enough that they can put a USB-C port under there and call it a day. And I think that's probably going to be what they do. And honestly, that would be fine.

Again, I think it's probably going to be in relatively subtle ways. I'm not expecting a major redesign. I'm expecting minor tweaks to lift up the front edge just enough that they can put a USB-C port under there and call it a day. And I think that's probably going to be what they do. And honestly, that would be fine.