Margaret Atwood

And when things got wetter, you knew that the food supply was going to be diminishing and people were going to be becoming more territorial and trying to protect that which they had. That is one theory. So yeah, if you have enough for three squares a day, are you going to go out and steal food? yourself. I'm just asking you, Ezra.

And when things got wetter, you knew that the food supply was going to be diminishing and people were going to be becoming more territorial and trying to protect that which they had. That is one theory. So yeah, if you have enough for three squares a day, are you going to go out and steal food? yourself. I'm just asking you, Ezra.

No, probably not, because you don't need it. You don't need to take the risk for that. But when you're starving, it's a different story. So sure, as I said, one of the effects of the climate crisis is going to be diminishing harvests. And another effect is going to be the moving around of invasive species and destructive plant diseases.

No, probably not, because you don't need it. You don't need to take the risk for that. But when you're starving, it's a different story. So sure, as I said, one of the effects of the climate crisis is going to be diminishing harvests. And another effect is going to be the moving around of invasive species and destructive plant diseases.

Oh, boy.

Oh, boy.

I think there's no doubt about that. You know, when the French Revolution started, it was very hot.

I think there's no doubt about that. You know, when the French Revolution started, it was very hot.

So the French monarchy had put a lot of money into the American Revolution because they were pissed at the British for having... taking new France. We want to get back at them. So they overspent on the American Revolution, and then they upped the taxes, never popular, and then the price of bread went up. So perfect storm. People were angry enough to take the risk.

So the French monarchy had put a lot of money into the American Revolution because they were pissed at the British for having... taking new France. We want to get back at them. So they overspent on the American Revolution, and then they upped the taxes, never popular, and then the price of bread went up. So perfect storm. People were angry enough to take the risk.

Okay, so we've had a lot of thinking along those lines. People interested in genetics say there's a genetic component. People interested in cultures say there's a cultural component. A very interesting book from years ago that I read was by a man who, as a child, being Jewish, had been rescued and hidden. in the Netherlands.

Okay, so we've had a lot of thinking along those lines. People interested in genetics say there's a genetic component. People interested in cultures say there's a cultural component. A very interesting book from years ago that I read was by a man who, as a child, being Jewish, had been rescued and hidden. in the Netherlands.

And when he grew up, he was tortured by the question, what made those people do that? Why did they do that? They're risking their own lives. Why did they? And he went back and he interviewed a number of people who had rescued children. under those circumstances. And he thought, is it religious? No, it was not religious. Some of them were religious, others were not. Was it political?

And when he grew up, he was tortured by the question, what made those people do that? Why did they do that? They're risking their own lives. Why did they? And he went back and he interviewed a number of people who had rescued children. under those circumstances. And he thought, is it religious? No, it was not religious. Some of them were religious, others were not. Was it political?

No, it was not political. Some of them were left, some of them were right, some of them didn't have politics particularly. So what was it? And he said the only thing that he could conclude was that to have done otherwise would have violated their idea of who they were. But where did they get that idea of who they were? That's another question which he didn't pursue.

No, it was not political. Some of them were left, some of them were right, some of them didn't have politics particularly. So what was it? And he said the only thing that he could conclude was that to have done otherwise would have violated their idea of who they were. But where did they get that idea of who they were? That's another question which he didn't pursue.

But where do you get that idea of who you are, that you are not a person who, when presented with a child that needed to be rescued, you are not a person who would say, go away, and I'm telling them, SS on you. So what is the difference there? I don't know the answer to that. It's unknown.

But where do you get that idea of who you are, that you are not a person who, when presented with a child that needed to be rescued, you are not a person who would say, go away, and I'm telling them, SS on you. So what is the difference there? I don't know the answer to that. It's unknown.

Yeah, I think that's entirely right. And there's something that we always leave out of these kinds of conversations, which is it's fun. It's fun to sit at the guillotine and watch these people that you resent getting their heads chopped off. There were wild street dances over that, dancing the carmineule and singing this song about ha, ha, ha, got them back.

Yeah, I think that's entirely right. And there's something that we always leave out of these kinds of conversations, which is it's fun. It's fun to sit at the guillotine and watch these people that you resent getting their heads chopped off. There were wild street dances over that, dancing the carmineule and singing this song about ha, ha, ha, got them back.