Margie Warrell

I think it also comes from being raised in an environment where I didn't have many role models who were people to look to who were empowered.

where there was even culturally in Australia, there's something, anyone who's from Australia listening to this will know the tall poppy syndrome.

There's this cultural norm that

that celebrate self-deprecation and is just out to get anyone who seeks to put themselves out there and be too big, to be a tall poppy, a poppy flower that could get risk getting cut down.

And so humility is praised.

Anything that could remotely sniff of

Trying to get too far above your rank, you know, being ambitious, et cetera, is really socially risky.

And so I think for me, having the courage is something I've had to practice, defying the doubts and that little voice in my head that said, who do you think you are?

And, you know, my dad milked cows for 50 years.

largely illiterate, dropped out of school at 16.

So this environment was about really celebrating humility and has self-deprecation in art form.

I think for me, my own personal journey of having to practice courage, but then in life with all of the stuff that life's brought my way, just recognizing that if life was perfect, it wouldn't be.

And that so often we have to

really walk this path of what I would even call faith over fear.

And so my whole journey, I think it's been one that's continually pointing me back to courage in different forms.

One is just cultivating enough awareness to see that, hey, I'm stuck.

And that's a level of maturity, our own evolution, right?

And not everyone matures at the same pace.

And some people never fully mature.

I mean, we know that because we meet.