Marian Leonard

did he mean to kill Jessica okay so because so many of the previous attempts were left out except for the gas ones you know there was a lot excluded that the jury didn't hear okay obviously so um so I think that that was the query that they'd had right and of course once you hear there's a query think oh that's it you know that's it no no so can you remember how you felt when it came back guilty

I think I just remember just feeling weak.

I didn't actually leave the court.

The courtroom was empty by the time someone came in to take me out.

I just sat, just couldn't move.

Just the relief of it.

And in another way, the horror of it.

Yeah.

And I think from that time, really to this, you know,

We're just as locked up as Frank McCann is.

You know, we are trapped waiting to make sure that he stays in prison.

And this is why... You do this?

From the fifth parole hearing he got, he was allowed to take a course in Ballyfermit.

Okay.

A computer course.

And then he was allowed temporary release during the week to a job centre in Peer Street.

So that was his daily.

Right.

And then...

He was moved from Arbor Hill to Mount Joy, the progression unit there.