Marian Leonard

You know, how did we miss it?

All of those kinds of questions people must say, how did we not notice?

But at the time he was trying to kill Esther and Jessica, my son was dying.

That's one reasoning behind it.

But the other reason behind it is we would not have thought that anybody would want to harm a mother and child.

It just wouldn't come into our family's way of thinking.

in James's room with him he'd had he'd had a lobectomy so I wasn't around okay I mean I heard the news of the gas leak on the phone in the matter not not not in reality till I got out you know and

When did you... I was in Tremor that night.

I'd gone down on the Thursday night because James was escorting some of his girlfriends, friends who are girls, to Deb's.

So I'd gone down on the Thursday because we had tuxedos to get and all those types of things to arrange.

And...

The phone in my in-laws house rang around five o'clock in the morning.

Now that wasn't unusual.

My father-in-law was an area rail manager, so the phones, you could hear them ringing at different times if he got a call.

But then I heard my mother-in-law crying.

Oh my goodness, yeah.

And Jim, my father-in-law, then told me what had happened.

And my husband was on the phones.

I was talking to Billy for a while.

And I think at that stage, I lost a bit of time.