Mariana Mazzucato

I worked with the council on mission-oriented procurement for adult social care across 10 housing estates, what you call projects in the US.

And we brought the carers and the carees to the table to design that policy.

So working with people, really valuing their lived experience to help design policies that are meaningful and will improve their lives.

I think it's just so important, firstly, to get those policies to be designed right, but also to give people, again, dignity and self-worth.

And I've seen it also, because we have so much inequality in the UK, unfortunately, we have food banks, which is barbaric if you think about it.

In the 21st century, food banks, we should not have that.

People should have food on the table, enough and healthy food.

We don't have that.

So transforming food banks into food cooperatives

green food cooperatives where the people benefiting from what was a food bank are now also in the place of governing, of having real deliberation, of thinking together.

I can tell you the people I saw working in the food banks who are also receiving the food, the facial expression, the dignity, just even how people are standing is completely different from a system where, you know, you... Here's someone's expired, like...

Yeah, exactly.

From last Thanksgiving.

No, but even if it's good food, you know, having again, you know, bringing back dignity and value.

It's so important, I think, to fight populism.

So I tend to also look at very specific things that a government did instead of just saying the whole government's perfect, right?

So for example, in Brazil, something they've done that I think has been very positive is that they've put what I call missions at the center of government.

So the ecological transition is at the center.

And that then required the Department of Finance, for example, to rethink its own tools.

For example, a public bank, right?