Mariana van Zeller
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You can use, if you're caught using any drug, even hard drugs, nothing happens to you.
But you're not allowed to traffic or sell it.
But if you're caught, they basically give you the option.
If you're caught smoking or doing heroin, they'll ask you, you know, instead of they realize that they will pay much more by putting somebody in prison than they will by actually giving them treatment.
So if they see that you're...
Using heroin, they can go up to you and say, look, we'll give you the opportunity.
Do you want to go to prison or do you want to go to treatment?
The vast majority of people will say treatment.
And the government actually pays less for treatment than they do for incarceration.
And you'd think that people would have used this example and it would have spread around the world.
And the private prison complex too.
And it's the wrong people that end up going to prison.
Yeah, there's definitely a bunch of organizations.
We spent time with one called Conserve Congo.
It's a local Congolese man who's trying to sort of investigate and stop it.
We also spent one of the best days of filming was spent when we went to see the gorillas.