Mariana van Zeller

And it just taints everything.

and takes too much space.

Yes.

For other conversations with much more important conversations that we should be having, whether it's about AI, whether it's about social media, whether it's about aliens, there are much bigger problems that are coming in our future.

And we shouldn't be so sort of tunnel focused on whether we're, you know, whether what we're saying is approved by the right or the left or whether this or that.

It's just,

I think so, too.

Yeah, I was.

The elevators.

I mean, I did the initial reporting for Portugal for Portuguese television that day.

So I was at Columbia University's journalism school.

I just moved to New York a month before.

Yeah.

And I think it's.

I was living on 72nd and Broadway.

Yeah, so I didn't go to ground zero, but I went to Midtown to the rooftop of this building where everybody was doing sort of the satellite live feed.

So you had journalists from all over the world.

Meanwhile, I was 24, 25 years old.

I had like zero experience doing a live feed.

I just moved to the United States.