Mariana van Zeller

We had a whistleblower telling us that the company, Insys Pharmaceuticals, Subsys was the thing, Insys Pharmaceuticals was the name of the company, that they were doing exactly the same that Purdue Pharma did back in the day, which was, in their case, they were actually bribing doctors.

They were taking these doctors all to, like, travel experiences around the world and…

Paying them to prescribe their medication.

So you'd call and you'd go to the doctor and say, I have a headache.

Oh, you should be taking substance.

It's a great fentanyl to fentanyl.

It's going to cure your headache.

Imagine.

And then the people at the company hired by INSIS, they had their insurance department.

would call insurance and say, oh, this person, you need to approve this medication for this person because they have cancer.

They were lying to insurance because it was only approved.

Insurance would only pay.

And these were very expensive drugs if it was for cancer patients.

So they would lie.

And so this whistleblower basically opened up the Pandora's box and told us all about this.

And then there was a big investigation into it.

And it was the first and only, I believe, pharmaceutical company owner that ever went to prison.

But it was the same playbook.

It's crazy.

So it's like it keeps repeating itself.