Mariana van Zeller

Yeah.

Have you read Ezra Klein's book about this?

I haven't read the book yet, but I've heard him giving a bunch of interviews about it.

But it's about how if you're – he's a Democrat, as you know, but how Democrats have to figure out how to make the system work and how to build things and how to – and not –

Sex work going after criminals.

Yeah, but not all.

Not all.

Right.

Yeah, Portugal and the majority of European countries.

You know, obviously there's division, but there's nothing like the division that exists in the U.S.

right now.

Of course.

I mean, that's immigration to a T. Isn't that crazy?

It is disgusting.

Truly evil, yeah.

Right.

If you stand for a cause, right, and you're seen as the person that can potentially solve that problem, and then that problem goes away, then you don't have a platform to stand on.

So a lot of times you don't want to solve that problem.

And I think in many ways that's what immigration has been because it is not possible that we have the broken immigration system that we have.

We have the backlog of people trying to get papers who can't.