Mariana van Zeller

We don't have a way for people who want to come to this country legally to come to this country legally.

And it's been decades and decades of this, and we haven't been able to figure out how to solve this problem.

It has to be because it benefits all politicians that this hasn't been solved, right?

Yeah.

Which is a problem also now with the raids is that a lot of violence is happening.

You know, even if it's rapes or domestic abuse and people are just even if they're going through this, they're not going to call the police because they're afraid of being deported.

It's difficult not to get cynical.

Right.

And I actually it's to me, it's always heartbreaking when you hear people saying that they don't vote or they don't really they're not into politics.

They don't they don't care about what's happening because politicians are all the same and they don't they're completely disengaged.

And to me, that's heartbreaking.

Yeah.

That's taking the power away from people.

Right.

You have a bunch of cowards on the Republican side.

Even when they're seeing this stuff happening, even though we know that they don't agree with it.

Even though we know they know it's morally wrong.

They are too afraid to speak out.

Martha Stewart.

I love Martha Stewart so much.