Marianne Lewis

When we think about both and thinking, we think about a couple of things.

One is we start with saying you've got to change the kind of questions you ask.

If you're always saying, should I be brave or should I be vulnerable?

You're missing the point because they go together.

How do I build confidence by putting myself out there in uncomfortable situations, by learning through my successes and failures?

So to us, changing the question is absolutely vital.

How do you take those opposing sides and dive deeply into each one of them?

How do you really understand where, what are your fears coming from?

I think, Wendy, those are excellent examples.

I mean, I would maybe expand it further.

If we think about tensions in our career, we have a lot of times the same things we've actually, Wendy and I've seen in strategic discussions with executives, you have this tension between today or tomorrow.

Meaning, am I putting my

time, energy, commitment in hitting my current goals, which means performing?

Or am I looking at how I'm developing, continuing to learn, thinking about what the next step is going to be?

And because Wendy and I see so many of these kinds of tensions, not as purely as oppositions, but as interwoven, well, if you're thinking about the future, it does inform and shape the choices you make today.

Just as the work that you're doing today helps you really think about enabling serendipity or plan luck and thinking towards the future.

So that both-and thinking thinks about today, tomorrow, family, work, confidence, fear, right, as interwoven opposites that actually we need to work through those tensions and learn from.

I think fear and confidence is an interesting one.

I mean, I was thinking about this other particularly because of your focus.

I think confidence is such a beautifully paradoxical phenomenon.