Marie Gleeson

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Oh, yeah.

But there's a moment when something flicks in your head or for me anyway, where it was like, well, actually, they're trying to make me better and they're trying to make me, you know, a better asset here, part of the team and realizing that sometimes I didn't.

need to be as enthusiastic as I was, or maybe that I was, you know, having an impact on other people who maybe were struggling with being at sea or maybe weren't as outgoing as I was.

So actually realising that you can moderate your presence and have a powerful impact for other people.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, definitely.

It's funny, actually, when I look back now, sometimes they were the easier ones to deal with in terms of like, you knew that they weren't really 100% sure, you knew maybe they didn't want women there.

So nearly for me,

There was a motivation factor in proving them wrong.

Like, I can do this absolutely as well as anybody else.

But then actually some of the more tough individuals to deal with were the guys who had daughters our age, because sometimes they wanted to mind you.

So, oh, Cadac Leeson, you can't pull that line or somebody jump in there and help Cadac Leeson with that.

And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Let me do it.

I can do it.

So actually having a conversation with someone who's trying to help you and asking them to step back, that's actually really tough.

Yeah, because that's more hurtful for them, isn't it?

Because they think they're doing the right thing.