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had to do not only with Health and Human Services, but also with the Department of Agriculture and the Environmental Protection Agency.

But these things didn't happen.

What did happen were declared MAHA wins.

And the MAHA wins are companies voluntarily agreeing to remove artificial color dyes from their products, which I'm in favor of.

I think that's great.

But fruit loops with vegetable dyes are still fruit loops.

M&Ms with vegetable dyes are still M&Ms.

It's not going to make a big difference in the food supply.

On ultra-processed foods, they've said they want to define them, but that's all they've said.

They're investigating the possibility of looking at marketing to children, but with no sense at all that there are regulatory initiatives that they're considering.

And they declared a big win when Coca-Cola said it would substitute cane sugar for high-fructose corn syrup.

something that I termed nutritionally hilarious because they're basically the same biochemically and they're not going to make any difference at all.

If you want to reduce obesity in the United States and help people eat more healthfully,

You've got to do things like change the agricultural subsidy structure.

You have to stop the ability of food companies to market ultra-processed foods, especially to children.

You need better school food.

You need universal school meals.

You need much more money in school meals than presently exists.

You have to look for ways to make healthy foods better.

an easier and less expensive choice and look for every public policy that you can to do those kinds of things.