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And I don't see that happening.

Well, they found out what lobbying was about.

You know, I mean, they were hit with, and there's a fair amount of evidence, that they met with agricultural producers, they met with food industry representatives, and the food industry representatives and agricultural producers told them what the effects of these kinds of changes would be on the bottom lines of these industries.

I'm sure they talked about job losses, right?

I'm sure they talked about having to move their businesses overseas.

I'm sure they had all kinds of lobbying threats like that.

I wasn't there.

I didn't witness it.

But I can assume that that's what happened because that's what always happens.

Well, because there's so much private industry involved in this and so much ideology.

This is a government that has an enormous amount of ideology with some very ideology-based views of what public health is about.

You know, the idea that natural immunity is better than vaccination immunity or that fluoride is poisoning children or that seed oils are poisoning America or that high fructose corn syrup is poisoning America.

I mean, these are not ideas that are backed by science.

Right.

But we're in an era in which science is just considered just one way of looking at things, and people have different sets of facts that they believe.

And this is part of food politics now.

What are they, and how do they impact what we encounter when we walk in the grocery store?

Well, they're payments that...

food companies make to grocery stores to stock their products where people will see them.

There are rules about sales in supermarkets.